guest: moscow, russia is the other main cyber actor. some will say it is relatively easy to see when the chinese are attacking you. they are not the best. they're just persistent. but the russians are among the best. and when they do attack you, you may not ever know. host: in your foreign peace, but you outlined and summarize what the administration is essentially saying. diplomatic efforts for those that househost: in your thesei'. you touched on the first point, can you discuss the others? guest: you need to cooperate internationally. we are not the only country being targeted by chinese hackers. a number of countries all over the world are being attacked by them. if you can get the global community on board to combat this, that may have some impact. we're working on partnerships in the pacific where if you are found to be stealing intellectual property belonging to an american company, you can be prosecuted. u.s. companies will be able to prosecute you if you're stealing in the united states. as i mentioned, we've got the best pract